Friars Savor Victory Over Hoyas in One Sided Rivalry

FRIARS SAVOR VICTORY OVER HOYAS IN ONE-SIDED RIVALRY

I grew up a Providence College basketball fan and for me the big game every year, aside from intra-state rival University of Rhode Island,  is not Connecticut, St. Johns or Syracuse.  No, its Georgetown that matters.   As Georgetown traveled to The Dunk this week with an 8 game winning streak against the Friars, I noticed it still matters.

Maybe its because I got my undergraduate degree at Georgetown’s cross-town semi-rival American University (and we did beat them while I was there), but I remember feeling this way while I was still in high school.

Add in the brashness of Hoya Paranoia and their 69 percent winning percentage against them and you can see why Friar fans still love Thompson but have no love for Georgetown.  I mean, name another college team that goes abroad for good-will games and gets in a brawl.

Even now, all these years later – I still get excited about the chance that Providence might steal a victory from the Hoyas as they did this week.

Beast of the East

John Thompson’s first season as coach of Georgetown was 1972-73, the year Providence crushed Lefty Driesell’s Maryland Terepins to advance to the Final Four where they were cruising past their semifinal opponent Memphis State until their star center (Marvin Barnes) dislocated his knee late in the first half.  There is not a Providence fan alive then who does not wonder what would have happen had they got the chance to face UCLA.  (See PC Heaven – a Dave Gavitt Tribute Site)

Thompson, who had been been part of Providence’s 1963 NIT Championship Team and the first Friar team to go to the NCAA, was not inheriting a comparable program.  Georgetown did make it to the championship game in 1943 in their first NCAA appearance but they had not had a twenty-win season or been to the dance since then.  That Georgetown became “the Beast of the East” and a national power is a true testament to Coach Thompson.

The Big East Begins

The two teams entered the Big East in 1979 with opposite trajectories.  Providence had been the “Beast of the East”, averaging 20.5 ins a season over the past two decades (better than even North Carolina), but they had a new coach and had just had their first losing season after 8 consecutive 20-win seasons.   Georgetown came into the conference having had their first back-to-back 20-win seasons (a streak that would reach 16 seasons).  Naturally, their first conference game as part of the new Big East was against each other – with Georgetown winning (Providence would win the next year in their first Big East victory).   Georgetown would go on to win the conference tournament which was played on Providence’s home court.

Providence fired their coach and brought back Joe Mullaney, the former Laker coach who had built Providence into a national power.  Providence fans knew they would be back.  But as their losing streak extended to 7 out of 8 seasons (with Providence finishing last or next to last its first six years in the Big East), they watched Thompson march in with his prize center who went to the high school less than 60 miles from PC.  Mullaney had a big man too in Otis Thorpe, but Thompson won 10 of their 12 matchups sending his former coach into retirement and Georgetown to 3 National Championship Games.

Flashes of the Past

Since entering the Big East 24 years ago, Providence has had six 20-win seasons (the last one in 2004) and 7 NCAA appearances, when they had 8 20-win seasons and 5 NCAA appearances in the 1970’s alone pre-conference  In contrast, Georgetown has had 24 20-win seasons and 25 NCAA appearances with one National Championship.

Providence would have a brief return to glory in 1987 under Coach Rich Petino.   Georgetown had won 11 straight games against Providence by an average of 19 points per game that include wins of 41 points and 31 points (during the first Pitino-Thompson match up)  It is fitting, however, that when Providence returned to  the Final Four in their first NCAA appearance since joining the Big East, they got there by routing Georgetown in the Southeast Regional Final.  I was attending Georgetown Law School at the time and loved every minute of it.  (See Hoya Destroyahs page from PC Heaven)

Rich Barnes took the Friars to the dance three times while coach from 1989-1994.  He also had a three-game winning streak against the Hoya’s that began in 1992 with a 23-point win at the Capitol Center.  It is the biggest streak the Friars have had against Georgetown and accounts for half  of their 4 road wins. Tim Welsh coached the Friars to two 20-win seasons, one of them was in 2001 when the headlines read that Providence had “manhandled” Georgetown during in a 103-79 victory at “the Dunk”.  As reported by the Associated Press:

No Big East team had ever done to Georgetown what Providence did Saturday night.  Providence, with some excellent defense and torrid three-point shooting, beat No. 15-ranked Georgetown, 103-79–the first time any conference team topped 100 points against the Hoyas.

Since that win the Friars are 2-11 and lost the last 8 going into this week’s game.  At that time, I commented that there are two kinds of wins in college basketball: (1) a W and (2) a Hoya Destroyah win – with the later being all too rare.  I tried watching the game but was limited to watching the online box summary .  I fully expected to see the streak continue but was thrilled it did not and even happier when it was a rout.

The win was the Friars’ first in the new Big East conference and it improved their record against Georgetown to 20-43 and 14-14 at home.  It led me to ponder the PC-GU rivalry only to conclude its hard to call a lopsided series a rivalry.   Maybe someday it will be.  I  know I’ll be watching.


REFERENCE

PROVIDENCE COLLEGE

FRIARS

Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
1 2013-14 Big East 11 5 .688 Ed Cooley (11-5)
2 2012-13 Big East 19 15 .559 Ed Cooley (19-15)
3 2011-12 Big East 15 17 .469 Ed Cooley (15-17)
4 2010-11 Big East 15 17 .469 Keno Davis (15-17)
5 2009-10 Big East 12 19 .387 Keno Davis (12-19)
6 2008-09 Big East 19 14 .576 Keno Davis (19-14)
7 2007-08 Big East 15 16 .484 Tim Welsh (15-16)
8 2006-07 Big East 18 13 .581 Tim Welsh (18-13)
9 2005-06 Big East 12 15 .444 Tim Welsh (12-15)
10 2004-05 Big East 14 17 .452 Tim Welsh (14-17)
11 2003-04* Big East 20 9 .690 12 21 Lost First Round Tim Welsh (20-9)
12 2002-03 Big East 18 14 .563 Tim Welsh (18-14)
13 2001-02 Big East 15 16 .484 Tim Welsh (15-16)
14 2000-01* Big East 21 10 .677 25 Lost First Round Tim Welsh (21-10)
15 1999-00 Big East 11 19 .367 Tim Welsh (11-19)
16 1998-99 Big East 16 14 .533 Tim Welsh (16-14)
17 1997-98 Big East 13 16 .448 Pete Gillen (13-16)
18 1996-97* Big East 24 12 .667 Lost Regional Final Pete Gillen (24-12)
19 1995-96 Big East 18 12 .600 Pete Gillen (18-12)
20 1994-95 Big East 17 13 .567 Pete Gillen (17-13)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
21 1993-94T Big East 20 10 .667 Lost First Round Rick Barnes (20-10)
22 1992-93 Big East 20 13 .606 Rick Barnes (20-13)
23 1991-92 Big East 14 17 .452 Rick Barnes (14-17)
24 1990-91 Big East 19 13 .594 Rick Barnes (19-13)
25 1989-90* Big East 17 12 .586 Lost First Round Rick Barnes (17-12)
26 1988-89* Big East 18 11 .621 20 Lost First Round Rick Barnes (18-11)
27 1987-88 Big East 11 17 .393 Gordon Chiesa (11-17)
28 1986-87F Big East 25 9 .735 17 Lost National Semifinal Rick Pitino (25-9)
29 1985-86 Big East 17 14 .548 Rick Pitino (17-14)
30 1984-85 Big East 11 20 .355 Joseph Mullaney (11-20)
31 1983-84 Big East 15 14 .517 Joseph Mullaney (15-14)
32 1982-83 Big East 12 19 .387 Joseph Mullaney (12-19)
33 1981-82 Big East 10 17 .370 Joseph Mullaney (10-17)
34 1980-81 Big East 10 18 .357 Gary Walters (10-18)
35 1979-80 Big East 11 16 .407 Gary Walters (11-16)
36 1978-79 Ind 10 16 .385 Dave Gavitt (10-16)
37 1977-78* Ind 24 8 .750 9 Lost First Round Dave Gavitt (24-8)
38 1976-77* Ind 24 5 .828 8 Lost First Round Dave Gavitt (24-5)
39 1975-76 Ind 21 11 .656 15 Dave Gavitt (21-11)
40 1974-75 Ind 20 11 .645 10 20 Dave Gavitt (20-11)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
41 1973-74* Ind 28 4 .875 5 8 Lost Regional Semifinal Dave Gavitt (28-4)
42 1972-73RF Ind 27 4 .871 4 4 Lost National Semifinal Dave Gavitt (27-4)
43 1971-72* Ind 21 6 .778 12 Lost First Round Dave Gavitt (21-6)
44 1970-71 Ind 20 8 .714 Dave Gavitt (20-8)
45 1969-70 Ind 14 11 .560 Dave Gavitt (14-11)
46 1968-69 Ind 14 10 .583 Joseph Mullaney (14-10)
47 1967-68 Ind 11 14 .440 Joseph Mullaney (11-14)
48 1966-67 Ind 21 7 .750 7 Joseph Mullaney (21-7)
49 1965-66* Ind 22 5 .815 3 Lost First Round Joseph Mullaney (22-5)
50 1964-65R Ind 24 2 .923 3 4 Lost Regional Final Joseph Mullaney (24-2)
51 1963-64* Ind 20 6 .769 Lost First Round Joseph Mullaney (20-6)
52 1962-63 Ind 24 4 .857 10 Joseph Mullaney (24-4)
53 1961-62 Ind 20 6 .769 3 Joseph Mullaney (20-6)
54 1960-61 Ind 24 5 .828 13 Joseph Mullaney (24-5)
55 1959-60 R Ind 24 5 .828 14 14 Joseph Mullaney (24-5)
56 1958-59 Ind 20 7 .741 Joseph Mullaney (20-7)
57 1957-58 Ind 18 6 .750 Joseph Mullaney (18-6)
58 1948-49 Ind 7 19 .269 Lawrence Drew (7-19)
59 1934-35 Ind 17 5 .773 Albert McClellan (17-5)
60 1933-34 Ind 12 5 .706 Albert McClellan (12-5)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
61 1932-33 Ind 13 3 .813 Albert McClellan (13-3)
62 1931-32 Ind 19 5 .792 Albert McClellan (19-5)
63 1930-31 Ind 14 5 .737 Albert McClellan (14-5)
64 1929-30 Ind 15 4 .789 Albert McClellan (15-4)
65 1928-29 Ind 17 3 .850 Albert McClellan (17-3)
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Generated 1/12/2014.

GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY

HOYAS

Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
1 2013-14 Big East 11 4 .733 John Thompson (11-4)
2 2012-13R Big East 25 7 .781 5 8 Lost Second Round John Thompson (25-7)
3 2011-12* Big East 24 9 .727 9 15 Lost Third Round John Thompson (24-9)
4 2010-11* Big East 21 11 .656 9 Lost Second Round John Thompson (21-11)
5 2009-10* Big East 23 11 .676 7 14 Lost First Round John Thompson (23-11)
6 2008-09 Big East 16 15 .516 9 John Thompson (16-15)
7 2007-08R Big East 28 6 .824 5 8 Lost Second Round John Thompson (28-6)
8 2006-07RTF Big East 30 7 .811 8 8 Lost National Semifinal John Thompson (30-7)
9 2005-06* Big East 23 10 .697 15 23 Lost Regional Semifinal John Thompson (23-10)
10 2004-05 Big East 19 13 .594 John Thompson (19-13)
11 2003-04 Big East 13 15 .464 Craig Esherick (13-15)
12 2002-03 Big East 19 15 .559 Craig Esherick (19-15)
13 2001-02 Big East 19 11 .633 14 Craig Esherick (19-11)
14 2000-01* Big East 25 8 .758 9 21 Lost Regional Semifinal Craig Esherick (25-8)
15 1999-00 Big East 19 15 .559 Craig Esherick (19-15)
16 1998-99 Big East 15 16 .484 Craig Esherick (8-10) John Thompson (7-6)
17 1997-98 Big East 16 15 .516 John Thompson (16-15)
18 1996-97R Big East 20 10 .667 Lost First Round John Thompson (20-10)
19 1995-96R Big East 29 8 .784 4 4 Lost Regional Final John Thompson (29-8)
20 1994-95* Big East 21 10 .677 10 22 Lost Regional Semifinal John Thompson (21-10)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
21 1993-94* Big East 19 12 .613 15 Lost Second Round John Thompson (19-12)
22 1992-93 Big East 20 13 .606 10 John Thompson (20-13)
23 1991-92R Big East 22 10 .688 16 22 Lost Second Round John Thompson (22-10)
24 1990-91* Big East 19 13 .594 5 Lost Second Round John Thompson (19-13)
25 1989-90* Big East 24 7 .774 2 8 Lost Second Round John Thompson (24-7)
26 1988-89RT Big East 29 5 .853 2 2 Lost Regional Final John Thompson (29-5)
27 1987-88* Big East 20 10 .667 11 Lost Second Round John Thompson (20-10)
28 1986-87RT Big East 29 5 .853 4 4 Lost Regional Final John Thompson (29-5)
29 1985-86* Big East 24 8 .750 5 13 Lost Second Round John Thompson (24-8)
30 1984-85TF Big East 35 3 .921 1 1 Lost National Final John Thompson (35-3)
31 1983-84RTFN Big East 34 3 .919 2 2 Won National Final John Thompson (34-3)
32 1982-83* Big East 22 10 .688 2 20 Lost Second Round John Thompson (22-10)
33 1981-82TF Big East 30 7 .811 5 6 Lost National Final John Thompson (30-7)
34 1980-81* Big East 20 12 .625 16 Lost First Round John Thompson (20-12)
35 1979-80RT Big East 26 6 .813 11 11 Lost Regional Final John Thompson (26-6)
36 1978-79* Ind 24 5 .828 9 Lost Second Round John Thompson (24-5)
37 1977-78 Ind 23 8 .742 14 John Thompson (23-8)
38 1976-77 Ind 19 9 .679 John Thompson (19-9)
39 1975-76* Ind 21 7 .750 Lost First Round John Thompson (21-7)
40 1974-75* Ind 18 10 .643 Lost First Round John Thompson (18-10)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
41 1973-74 Ind 13 13 .500 John Thompson (13-13)
42 1972-73 Ind 12 14 .462 John Thompson (12-14)
43 1971-72 Ind 3 23 .115 Jack Magee (3-23)
44 1970-71 Ind 12 14 .462 Jack Magee (12-14)
45 1969-70 Ind 18 7 .720 Jack Magee (18-7)
46 1968-69 Ind 12 12 .500 Jack Magee (12-12)
47 1967-68 Ind 11 12 .478 Jack Magee (11-12)
48 1966-67 Ind 12 11 .522 Jack Magee (12-11)
49 1965-66 Ind 16 8 .667 Tom O’Keefe (16-8)
50 1964-65 Ind 13 10 .565 Tom O’Keefe (13-10)
51 1963-64 Ind 15 10 .600 Tom O’Keefe (15-10)
52 1962-63 Ind 13 13 .500 Tom O’Keefe (13-13)
53 1961-62 Ind 14 9 .609 Tom O’Keefe (14-9)
54 1960-61 Ind 11 10 .524 Tom O’Keefe (11-10)
55 1959-60 Ind 11 12 .478 Tommy Nolan (11-12)
56 1958-59 Ind 8 15 .348 Tommy Nolan (8-15)
57 1957-58 Ind 10 11 .476 Tommy Nolan (10-11)
58 1956-57 Ind 11 11 .500 Tommy Nolan (11-11)
59 1955-56 Ind 13 11 .542 Buddy Jeannette (13-11)
60 1954-55 Ind 12 13 .480 Buddy Jeannette (12-13)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
61 1953-54 Ind 11 18 .379 Buddy Jeannette (11-18)
62 1952-53 Ind 13 7 .650 20 Buddy Jeannette (13-7)
63 1951-52 Ind 15 10 .600 Buddy O’Grady (15-10)
64 1950-51 Ind 8 14 .364 Buddy O’Grady (8-14)
65 1949-50 Ind 12 12 .500 Buddy O’Grady (12-12)
66 1948-49 Ind 9 15 .375 Elmer Ripley (9-15)
67 1947-48 Ind 13 15 .464 Elmer Ripley (13-15)
68 1946-47 Ind 19 7 .731 Elmer Ripley (19-7)
69 1945-46 Ind 11 9 .550 Ken Engles (11-9)
70 1942-43F Ind 22 5 .815 Lost National Final Elmer Ripley (22-5)
71 1941-42 Ind 9 11 .450 Elmer Ripley (9-11)
72 1940-41 Ind 16 4 .800 Elmer Ripley (16-4)
73 1939-40 Ind 8 10 .444 Elmer Ripley (8-10)
74 1938-39 R EIC 13 9 .591 Elmer Ripley (13-9)
75 1937-38 EIC 7 11 .389 Fred Mesmer (7-11)
76 1936-37 EIC 9 8 .529 Fred Mesmer (9-8)
77 1935-36 EIC 7 11 .389 Fred Mesmer (7-11)
78 1934-35 EIC 6 13 .316 Fred Mesmer (6-13)
79 1933-34 EIC 12 11 .522 Fred Mesmer (12-11)
80 1932-33 EIC 6 11 .353 Fred Mesmer (6-11)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
81 1931-32 Ind 6 11 .353 Fred Mesmer (6-11)
82 1930-31 Ind 5 16 .238 John Colrick (5-16)
83 1929-30 Ind 13 12 .520 Bill Dudak (13-12)
84 1928-29 Ind 12 5 .706 Elmer Ripley (12-5)
85 1927-28 Ind 12 1 .923 Elmer Ripley (12-1)
86 1926-27 Ind 5 4 .556 John O’Reilly (5-4)
87 1925-26 Ind 5 8 .385 John O’Reilly (5-8)
88 1924-25 Ind 6 2 .750 John O’Reilly (6-2)
89 1923-24 Ind 6 3 .667 John O’Reilly (6-3)
90 1922-23 Ind 8 3 .727 Jock Maloney (8-3)
91 1921-22 Ind 11 3 .786 James Colliflower (11-3)
92 1920-21 Ind 10 4 .714 John O’Reilly (10-4)
93 1919-20 Ind 13 1 .929 John O’Reilly (13-1)
94 1918-19 Ind 9 1 .900 John O’Reilly (9-1)
95 1917-18 Ind 8 6 .571 John O’Reilly (8-6)
96 1916-17 Ind 8 4 .667 John O’Reilly (8-4)
97 1915-16 Ind 9 6 .600 John O’Reilly (9-6)
98 1914-15 Ind 8 8 .500 John O’Reilly (8-8)
99 1913-14 Ind 10 6 .625 James Colliflower (10-6)
100 1912-13 Ind 11 5 .688 James Colliflower (11-5)
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Coach(es)
101 1911-12 Ind 11 6 .647 James Colliflower (11-6)
102 1910-11 Ind 13 7 .650 Maurice Joyce (13-7)
103 1909-10 Ind 5 7 .417 Maurice Joyce (5-7)
104 1908-09 Ind 9 5 .643 Maurice Joyce (9-5)
105 1907-08 Ind 5 1 .833 Maurice Joyce (5-1)
106 1906-07 Ind 2 2 .500 No coach
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